Da Goddess

Daaannnngggg! He deserved it, but daaaaannnngggg. Remind me to never get on 'yer bad side, 'kay?

Too true. SSDD from these people. It hasn't just been the last three years. It has been more like the last thirty. That's all I ever heard growing up from folk like Carl. 'The US is the cause of suffering!' BS. Poland, Germany, almost all of central Asia, and a host of other nations are free to choose their fate because the US fought the CW(excuse me, caused suffering, for the Carl-ites).
What's socialism done for anyone? Looked at the unemployment of Germany as of yesterday? 5 million unemployed, and a standard of living below that of the US. How's SKorea doing? Pretty damn good without social engineering.

Dannngggg, Goddess. Don't let me make you angry at me, ever.
Ry

Communists murdered more people than any other group in the history of the world. They destroyed cultures and vandalized the ecology of Asia by reversing the flow of rivers, dessicating the Aral Sea and "incentivizing" the sloth and recklessness that caused Chernobyl, which, inter alia, is responsible for untold human misery to this day, including a very sick girl in Fresno. Discussing morality, compassion, decency or ethics with a Communist is like discussing those subjects with a Nazi.

You have more charity than I.

go get 'em Joanie!
It just ocurred to me what selfish bastards people like that are. Self-satisfied as well. It's too bad they can't get down of their horses long enough to actually find out why so many people disagree with them. They might actually find that they disagree with themselves.

RIGHT ON!!! Dang I have been reading your blog for awhile following this I just don't post but this time I had to I was standing up and cheering (whole office looked at me like I was nut's) Carl is nothing more than one of the "Useful Idiot's" that the communist need to espouse there message. Ya done good Lady.

Joanie: Out-FUCKING-standing!!

Glad we're on the same side!! ;)

It's a pretty good summary of why the left is morally bankrupt.

Damned Fucking Skippy, Good Lady.

Thank you dear Joanie for expressing my thoughts on Carl and his ilk so much more clearly and coherently than I ever could. I confess I hadn’t read his mindless screed until your posting – I usually pass over such things in order to maintain my blood pressure at a manageable level. But, after reading your latest missive I couldn’t resist going back to see what prompted your most lovely prose. So, keep up the good work – people like you make the world a better place. Funny thing that – that “progressives” like Carl are nothing but impediments.

Having personally witnessed many of Carl's rants in the parks and on the streets of San Diego, I can say that Joanie is right on target.

But sadly, I think it's wasted on Carl, who once famously shouted:

"USA OUT OF NORTH AMERICA!"

I think it was meant as a reference to Native American land rights -- but the point was completely lost on the crowd, most of whom were left scratching their heads.

Or, in summary, "Making a difference is always better than making a point."

Too many people out there are so concerned with the latter and not enough with the former. Well done illustrating the difference.

Bravo Joanie. Bravo.

Well stated, and so very true.

The ones who call us "mindless robots" show themselves just that as they parrot what ever is handed down to them. Just like one of the old fashion tape recorders.

Bravo again. But there are those out there who are like the Missouri Mule. You got to hit them between the ears to get their attention. Even then, that doesn't always work. lol

The Referee should have called that fight after the 5th paragraph.

Carl, you just got your ass kicked by a female! And not just kicked, but verbally stomped and humiliated.

God I love strong, conservative, intelligent and cogent women. How they so easily lay the lie to those wimpish ANSWER crybabies known as liberal democrats.

Well said! You must be feeling better because you just kicked butt and not just Carl's but the whole dang lot of them. Kitty

You go Girl!!!

What happened to the old "America, Love it or leave it.

Isn't there some kind of Native American custom where, for punishment, they put you on an island to fend for yourself for a year?

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!!!
I've been trolling the democratic blogs and dropping comments here and there slapping people like Carl. Amazing, and quite sad, how many people actually think like Carl. Thank God they are not any where near a majority, just big enough to annoy.
I wish I could send a link to this posting to every democrat who refuses to say anything good about the Iraq vote, but I'm afraid it may cause you problems. You don't want their BS to keep cropping up on this wonderful site.
Keep up the great work!

This reminds me of a comment thread I saw on a lefty site after the tsunami( sorry can't recall which one, as if there is a distinction) A Frog and Brit were laughing at Bushitler's stupidity in sending an aircraft carrier to a disaster scene... what a chimp they all laughed. Until a commenter pointed out the capabilities a CV group has, full surgical hospitals, landing craft, a variety of mission/task specific aircraft; fixed wing and rotation, including heavy-lift helos, machine/fabrication shops, spare parts & fuel, massive cold storage and stores capacity, a crew of physically-fit, highly trained and motivated professionals with a wide array of skill sets and most importantly the ability to desalinate 600,000+ gallons of fresh water a day.

Much of what Carl's ilk spout is based on ignorance and as you point out puking up position papers and cant. They don't contribute anything real to anyone...they are blood-sucking leeches on the body politic.

You can't reason with them, but I sure enjoyed your rebuttal. You go Girl!

Goddess, you are wings level, cleared hot!

Nice shot placement... Hope the back is getting better...

Best wishes...

Well I am sure that leftists, progressives, et al can rebutt your rant with hard evidence of their courage as they went to Iraq to act as "human shields" to allow the common Iraqi to vote in this recent election. The image of these human shields standing in solidarity with their Iraqi brothers in the face of death threats by violent factions seeking to prevent voting, why it was all so inspiring.
What? This never happened? Oh. Never mind.

But Bush Lied!!!!

Melissa, feel free to drop a note to whomever you please. Bandwidth? What's that? Attacks from the Left? It happens all the time. I'm a big girl and I don't mind the challenge. (Plus, the pain meds are helping to keep me mellow these days.)

Thank you, everyone, for the backup! Oddly, Carl hasn't seen fit to respond.

Da Goddess has her head up her ass. Stop trying to justify the butchery in Iraq. It's pathetic. George Bush hates Iraq, America, freedom, democracy, prosperity and little furry animals. You republicans have your heads so damn far up your asses, I don't know what to say to you.

Why do you people get so excited about forcing a bloody, messy, hypocritical, corrupt election on Iraqis, who don't get a food voucher till they vote?

Meanwhile, you don't give a rat's ass that the patriot act has robbed us of our freedoms, and that the Busheviks stole the last two elections.

You people are the ones who hate freedom. You don't even know what it is. You think freedom is having a Christian theocracy destroy our civil liberties and our democracy. You guys have a lot in common with the Taliban and other Muslim fundies. You're not American. You ought to find another country that shares your values. Perhaps Saudi Arabia would suit you.

What's the matter, VP, no bad Photoshop job showing DG's head up her ass? Looking at your site, it seems to be what you're best at.

Take that, hippy - four more years!

LOL, Thank you Visual Politics, I needed a good laugh.... Once again, blind outrageous statements with absolutely NO evidence to support your claims. Why don't you spend some time getting an education, so that perhaps you can at least understand how to stucture an argument.

I'm just impressed that there's a pro-bush site out here that isn't member's only. I know how much you 'conservatives' like to circle-jerk in your little echo-chambers. I guess you're afraid of having liberals call you on your bullshit. I'm waiting to see my comments deleted. Maybe "Da Goddess" will figure out how to lock out dissent from her forums. I bet she doesn't want to talk to anyone that disagrees with her.

Visual Politics, I don't need to "figure out" how to moderate or delete comments. I know how to do so if I really need to.

That said, I won't delete your comments, but I will ask you to mind your manners. This is MY site...and as your hostess, I have every right to ask you to not return should you become too unpleasant.

I give Carl full credit for being a gentleman when he posts his opinions here. I welcome the discussion. BUT, should you, Carl, or ANYONE (including my friends) decide not to act nicely, I will escort you out. Forget my bad back. I'll carry you to the door.

Now, if you'd like to say something relevant, please.....continue. Otherwise, you may leave.

Excellent, it's good to see that ANSWER has some competition.

Goddess, that was beautiful! Very eloquent and a beautiful, practical example of how the Looneys are all talk and no walk.

And then to have such a fine example of incompetant idiocy show up and post a comment.... Well, that just puts a lovely accent on the difference between the do-ers like you and the whiners, like vp and Carl and their ilk.

You GO!

Vp: "I'm just impressed that there's a pro-bush site out here that isn't member's only. "

What an absolutely moronic thing to say. Most conservative blogs do have a comments section, with a few resident trolls to prove it.

Clearly you don't get out much.

Ok, Da Goddess, if you're really not going to lock this forum up against dissent, maybe you have a little American spirit to you after all. Most right-wing forums are locked down tighter than North Korea.

I won't use coarse language. We'll see what happens. Heck, since you announced your intention not to erase my messages, I wouldn't even complain if you erased my first two message. I write things like that in anticipation of that being the only thing I get to say.

If you're willing to tolerate dissent, you deserve civil discourse, which I am capable of.

Hmmmm... VP, as I understand it, you guys on the left are the MASTERS of the circle-jerk mentalitiy. Just look at 'Democratic' Underground. Any post, even by other lefties, that does not fit the official screed of the far left is deleted without question. Hell, look at our college campuses: diversity of thought is crushed before the superficial 'diversity' of one's flesh color or sex. You would think that after the Dem's left the south they would have put behind their rascist past, but they are as focused on racial divisions now as they were under segregation. Sad, just sad. I am sick of Republicans being labeled rascists because we DON'T want to judge people on the color of their skin...

Kong

I'm just impressed that there's a pro-bush site out here that isn't member's only.
Heh, he apparently hasn't tried very hard to find one...

I know how much you 'conservatives' like to circle-jerk in your little echo-chambers.
"You do like that, right? 'Cause I'm assuming you do based on the fact that that's what we do over at Democratic Underground."

Keep up the good work, Joanie. You know you're doing it right as long as you're giving seizures to goobers like Visual Politics. :oD

Most conservative blogs do have a comments section, with a few resident trolls to prove it.

Oh really?

Can you name a few? The major ones are completely intolerant of dissent(LGF, FreeRepublic). They reserve the right to use coarse language against liberals, but ban any liberals who respond in kind.

They also ban you for posting images of the reality of war. They want to control the message and spew propaganda, not to facilitate a discussion.

Also, which top right-wing bloggers even have a comment section? Drudge? Instapundit? Michelle Malkin? Where are the forums?

Visual politics is projecting. Never fails ... the criminal always assume people are stealing from them, and the "open" (cough cough) left always assumes the right is crushing dissent.

But, really, LOVED it Da Goddess.

Joanie,

Once again I'm awed by how gracious you are when it comes to dealing with some people. After visiting the site of Visual Politics I'm not certain that I could respond to VP's posts as kindly as you. You're a credit to conservative bloggers.

Let's be fair here. VP responded with a clear understanding of my rules for commenting.

I ask that everyone follow the same guidelines.

I don't care about what other sites do in their comments, what they allow or don't allow. That's up to them. Here? It's all at my discretion.

So, anyone want to discuss the topic at hand? Perhaps someone read the Update about Osama Georges and has something to say about that.

Okay....everyone play nicely. Mommy needs a nap.

DaGoddess,

First time to your site. Found you via Instapundit. Loved the retort.

But there is a silver lining. People like Carl are what they are becuase they are angry, discontented and unevolved. They have succumbed to the dark side due to their laziness.

It takes effort to look for and find the good in life, religious, secular or otherwise. It takes effort. Darkness is always available, no need to look for it. But Good, that overcoming of the dull oand the unaccomplished takes resolved and time.

The sad silver living is that Carl will without some life changing evnet remain this way the rest of his life. You on the otherhand has sought beyond the dull to something better. That is your reward for looking for the good and creating more.

Sorry for the rant, but its important to note it.

Sorry VP, but that's 2 blogs that block comments.
Just 2. And unless you're impolite or bomb tossing, Charles lets dieesnters stay.
Drudge is not a blog, he just links. Instapundit is not a right winger. He may be to right of you, but he's hardly out to sea.
As for top bloggers on the right... you've named the ones that don't have open forums. Check out TTLB, and you'll see more that do, like Wizbang, Captains Quarters, La Shawn Barber, Tim Blair, Belmont Club, Dean Esmay, Small Victory, Outside the Beltway and Blogs for Bush. And thats just in the TOP 30 blogs, total, and not counting the humor sites (sorry Frank, Scott).
How many top lefties have comments? How many are fully open? Now it's your turn to name a few. Tell you what, I limited my search to the top 30, but I'll give you the top 50 for your list. Fittingly so, Diplomad is at 51 as I write this. :)

VP, please spare us your hypocrisy. Try and post something on Democratic Underground that praises GWB and see how long it stays. Drudge is not a blog. Instapundit used to have comments but thanks to an army of foul-mouthed trolls it became absolutely unusable.

Da Goddess, great essay. This should be required reading at all leftist rehabilitation camps :-)

Hey VP, you better get out now why your cahones are still (relatively) intact.

you're being ripped apart.

"Can you name a few?
[sotto voce] Jeeesh... YA n00b!

Try Bill Quick/Daily Pundit, Rantburg (watch out, they bite!), Discarded Lies, etc. Dunno whether you'd consider Jeff Jarvis right-wing, but his comments are open. Lots of sites use registration as a way of blocking dreaded comment spam, but many "registrations" don't even require a valid name or email address.

"They also ban you for posting images of the reality of war."
MOST sites disallow images, for a lot of reasons. You wanna post images, get your own URL.

"They want to control the message and spew propaganda, not to facilitate a discussion... Also, which top right-wing bloggers even have a comment section?"
Sounds to me like you engaged in some drive-by projectile vomiting and got your hand slapped. Clue: Nobody owes you a forum. Clue 2: You're a guest. You burn holes in the carpet, flush the cat down the toilet, and drink up all the beer... you're gone. Clue 3: Just because you want to talk doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen.

HTH, HAND!

LOL...

That had to have left a mark. Sure as hell made my day.

What are y'all going to say when Ayatollah Sistani tells his millions of followers to kick us out of Iraq? When they vote for shari'ah law? when they ratify the U.S. warcrimes court, etc.? Elections in Iraq were the least of our responsibilities when we invaded and took over.

Elections don't change the fact that 90% of Iraqis hate us, that 1,600 Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis died, that we spent 200 billion plus of money we don't have-- all for elections that could have been achieved at a much lower cost through other means. I'm glad you're happy, and you should enjoy the gloating over strawmen liberals who hate freedom while you can-- it ain't gonna last!

Visual Politics,

After you have run out of ad hominem attacks, you might want to pause and notice that you haven't said a thing. Remember your Shakespeare? At least the description of your rant is poetic.

"Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

VP,

I'll try to be polite, and address your points one at a time:

"Iraqis, who don't get a food voucher till they vote?"

Proof? And not just rumors spouted at DU or DailyKos. If you're going to make an accusation like that, back it up.

"Meanwhile, you don't give a rat's ass that the patriot act has robbed us of our freedoms,"

Exactly which freedoms would those be? I'd like some concrete examples of liberties and freedoms you once enjoyed that you no longer have because of the Patriot Act.

"and that the Busheviks stole the last two elections."

This one's so old and tired as to be unworthy of comment.

The rest of this post was so vile an ad hominem as to be self-lampooning.

"Also, which top right-wing bloggers even have a comment section?"

Ace of Spades HQ
The Jawa Report
The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler
the freaking dozen or so already mentioned. 'Nuff said, I think that one's been refuted nicely.

As for Louis, I'd be interested to hear what "Other Means" we could have used. Hmmmm....??????

"elections that could have been achieved at a much lower cost through other means"

Right.....

Care to venture just *what* these other means might have been? I have yet to see even one suggestion that isnt WTF material...

/Nigel

Could we have waited? At the time of invasion Saddam was a doddering fool who had retired from running his own country to write harlequin novels in his study... he was a neutered dictator. He was no threat to us and was slowly relaxing his grip on the country. "No.. it couldn't have waited another minute! Iraqis were in chains!" you say. Well. Calculate the cost of letting a quiet Iraq languish for another decade (mass graves... gassing his people... yes, but that was ten years before invasion. the gas, we sold and countenanced. crimes of history.) Then tally up the cost of bleeding Iraq since 2002. Add it up... it don't look good for Bushniks... idealism coupled with arrogance is worse than inaction, in the case of the Bush regime.

Wow, Louis, I wish I lived in your world, things seem so much simpler there.

If he was a doddering fool, he was a doddering fool who had groomed for succession a pair of sons who if anything were even mpre bloodthirsty and sadistic than dear old dad. Relaxing his grip on the country? Just where do you get that? The reports I've read show he intended fully to ramp up all of his mischief the minute the embargo was lifted. As for tallying up the cost, never mind the active genocide he committed. What would the cost have been in Iraqi lives lost to starvation and disease because of the corruption rife within the oil for food program? Waiting hadn't worked for eleven fucking years. Diplomatic pressure hadn't worked for eleven fucking years. So we had three choices -- continue on with more of the same, with no end in sight and no reason to believe he would give in any time soon, no reason to believe that the UN would prove itself useful at doing anything more than stamping its feet and holding its breath till it turned powder blue, and no reason to believe the Iraqi people could do anything but continue suffering and dying in numbers far greater than you eant to acknowledge. And that's your answer? Fuck you, your horse, and the Hussars trotting behind you. Option two was to just give up and let him have Iraq. Good luck justifying that option. Option three was grow some fucking balls and take the moustachioed psychopath out. It wasn't a pretty or pleasant option, but it beat the living shit out of the alternatives.

Brian, what do you suggest should be done about North Korea? Higher death toll, graver threat. Leave it to China to handle. Hmm. that's not all we're leaving to China. Because of Bush, in 20 years, we'll leave our superpower status to them, too.

Why not ask an Iraqi? more than a few would have Saddam back over us. at least saddam didn't use depleted uranium.

Oh, and fuck you too, by the by.

So, Louis, tell us, how long has the doddering old fool Castro been holding on? Must be all the great free health care.
As for the other doddering old fool, do you recall his sons, Uday and Qusay? The ones that were running the rape rooms and such? The ones that ran the secret police? Sorry if none of that fits your storyline, but it is no less true as a result. As a documentry maker, I would have hoped for a better grasp of the facts from you.
But then, they say Moore makes documentaries too...

I would like to commend Da Goddess for the guidelines of respectful discourse that she has set up (and clearly embodies in her comments with others). I do, however, disagree with some aspects of her post here.

Much of it is a classic strawman: Da Goddess is quick to deride "[Carl] and other protesters" for their ugly signs, slogans, defaced flags, street protests, etc., and says that essentially, unlike her they don't walk the walk.

This is problematic for two reasons that I see. First of all, there's no proof that Carl is one of these protesters at all. I too am opposed to the war, but that obviously doesn't automatically make me one of the rude, destructive people in the street with swastica flags. Nor is it fair to reduce the "anti-war" position to the extremists in the street--that'd be a bit like claiming that all Christian Evangelicals (millions) are characterized by the extremist 'God Hates Fags' group.

Secondly, isn't it a little bit ridiculous to suggest that of all the people who are against the war in Iraq, nobody is doing anything constructive about it, either for the troops or the Iraqis? That's pretty obviously not true, right? I mean, come on--part of me wants to get on Google and refute the bajeezus out of this, but I'm pretty sure that most people can see through this claim already.

Finally, I am a newcomer to this site, and while it is commendable that Da Goddess is involved with a fine humanitarian aid group such as Spirit of America, her invoking of her work with this program in order to suggest that others aren't doing anything meaningful, strikes me as a tad self-stroking and self-righteous. Why not simply invite Carl to join up with SoA, instead of judging his effectiveness at making a difference? Especially when Da Goddess is probably not in an informed position to judge this in an informed way...

Anyway. Just my $.02.

Louis

None of your predictions are anything but Dailykos fantasies. Sistani is a shrewd and cool customer and has played it just right all along. He got the election the way he wanted it, he sat on young mr sadr to stabalize the south, he has indicated that he is not in favor of shar'ia type government and he has indicated that the Sunnis and Kurds will have their rightful say in the government.

He is far too shrewd to kick the US out until they have their feet under them. And we'll be more than happy to accommodate him when he says it's time.

Every thing you believe will happen is highly imaginative and the cries of a desperate partisan who knows down deep that the man he reviles (GWB) is gonna' pull it off in Iraq AND other places. He won't have to fire a shot. The US has the upper hand and your just too deluded to see it.

"part of me wants to get on Google and refute the bajeezus out of this"

Please feel free to do that, Tom. I did a couple of searches and only found antiwar groups soliciting contributions for themselves. I have no doubt that there are Quakers doing things quietly to help, but then again they're not out there screaming in people's faces either.

Go ahead, Tom. Google ANSWER's contributions to humanity. I promise, Google won't laugh.

(I suspect that Tom did the search already and came up dry)

Right you are, goddess! The Democrats should all resign office now, due to shame. That goes from Senators down to dog catchers.

DG

Came here via Instapundit. Impressive site, articulate and thoughtfulcomments based on the realities of the world, and not on baroque delusion. (Yes, I dip in to the dreadful mental sewer of DU on occasion).

You attract a thoughtful and generally civil commentariat, too. Adult discourse is a good thing.

I put few blogs in to my favourites, but I just added yours.

Regards:

MarkL
Canberra

But Bush looks like a chimp and Rove is evil and Cheney worked for Halliburton and Condy is a token and Wolfy is a ZOG conspirator and there were no WMD's cause all the good digging spots were filled with corpses. Don't you understand?

Dear Tom,

Carl has identified himself as one of the protesters in comments past. You may begin your journey here: http://dagoddess.com/archives/002325.php

Brian B, let's take this back a couple years. What, exactly, is the damned rush to invade Iraq? What's the threat?

We've waited for eleven years already? And nothing's happened yet? What is the vital change we're after here?

Is it the threat of WMDs? That was totally exaggerated and not verified by anyone who was actually on the ground looking for them at the time?

Is it the liberation of the Iraqi people that's so vital to us (now, after our weapons brutalized them under our supervision in the 80s)?

Is it the worry that Saddam might turn into the next Hitler, as evidenced by his huge industrial and military gains? Umm...perhaps not that one.

In all seriousness and sarcasm aside, what, pray tell, was the urgency all about?

Thank you dear, for saying it all, and so eloquently! i'm afraid it won't have any effect on people like Carl though, but so what. Haters like him have no influence and they know it. That's what makes them so angry. Luckily, their irrational anger is also what secured their failure in the last election, and will continue to ensure that they stay far away from any position of influence in civil society.

Keep on fighting, Goddess!

Ok, how do people with very similar values end up so rabidly opposed to eachother's political views?

We both cheer when the underdog stands up to the bad guy in a movie. Heck, I even get a sense of satisfaction from seeing action heroes in movies killing the bad guy. Sometimes I think they don't kill them slowly enough to appease my rage at the injustice.

So why don't I cheer George Bush as he takes down Saddam? For one, because it's not a movie and both soldiers and civilians are getting killed in the action scenes.

You say it's worth it. I very strongly disagree. We have very similar values but we disagree on history. You trust and admire George Bush, I see one of the world's biggest villains.

To you it's unthinkable that Dick Cheney or some of his buddies would want America to get attacked. I think it's perfectly obvious that they do want us to get attacked again, and that's why they're inciting hatred against America while doing nothing to protect us against the inevitable attacks that will come.

Why did Dick Cheney have to take over the control of our military jets that patrol the eastern seaboard and why did he have to put them on a training excercise that kept them out of the action on 9/11? That's a pretty funny coincidence.

Why is it that Bush did nothing about the august 6th 2001 PDB which warned "Bin Laden Determined to Attack in U.S."? Clinton took Bin Laden seriously enough to send 60 cruise missiles. Why didn't Bush care until after 9/11 happened? Why did he treat Richard Clarke so badly, and why didn't he have any meetings on terrorism before 9/11?

You folks believe it's unthinkable that Dick Cheney or any of the top war-profiteers could possibly have a desire to see America suffer domestic terror attacks. You think I'm a "tin-foil hat" wearing conspiracy theorist.

Could a former CEO of Halliburton be willing to see thousands of Americans die to increase his wealth and consolidate political power? Sheesh, you'd think more Americans would be cynical after the years of seeing businessmen put profit before people's well-being.

Is it so unthinkable that military-industrialist war-profiteers would want to establish a protection racket, using domestic terrorism to goad us into giving half our federal budget to their no-bid contractors?

The problem is, these war-profiteers have no real financial incentive to protect us from terrorism. They do have an incentive to leave us vulnerable to attack. They got flooded with money and power the last time America got attacked. That wasn't so bad for them.

I would refer you to the PNAC(Project for a New American Century) website, where there used to be a paragraph that said something about a domestic terror attack on the scale of Pearl Harbor being useful to accelerate their agenda by a few decades.

You see, we have very similar values, but I believe our commander in chief is a treasonous villain who doesn't care about Americans or Iraqis and who wastes our troops lives without losing any sleep.

You think he is a hero. That explains our wildly divergent political stances. Sorry for my initial verbal attacks. You can understand my frustration if you put yourself in my shoes, believing Bush and Cheney are treasonous villains who deliberately lowered our defenses before 9/11.

Peace

Here's another conspiracy for you. Bush mentioned Zarqawi in tonights SOTU address.

Ever notice how Zarqawi keeps saying things that are remarkably convenient for Bush, while Bin Laden says things that need to be censored because they're too politically relevant?

Ever notice how Zarqawi only releases audio tapes, which our intelligence sources insist are credible as having come from Zarqawi?

Ever notice how convenient it is that Zarqawi is an Al Qaeda member, so that his constant stream of propaganda from his audio tapes keeps reminding America that we're fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq, not merely a bunch of Iraqis who are pissed off that we killed their brother, mother, uncle, wife, nephew?

Zarqawi is way too convenient for Bush's PR machine. Zarqawi is a fake. The purpose of the Zarqawi myth is to establish the link between the Iraq war and the war against Al Qaeda. Zarqawi's most recent declaration of war against democracy was just way to silly to be authentic. Bush used it tonight and I laughed bitterly. What a terrible joke is being played on Americans.

Trusting, loyal, Americans who love freedom and justice.

While this should not be a right vs left issue but unfortunately this is what your friendly neighbourhood republicans have straddled you and your families with. You can always not fall sick I suppose....

Oh Dear Goddess when will you awaken from your slumber with the right and use your obvious talents for the betterment of all Americans.

Sincerely yours,
G

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unrelated to post text removed by Da Goddess: Gunnfan, you went waaaay off topic. Try to apply your comprehension skills here and reread my post.

Psychological insight follow.

Folk on the left resent being born and wish to return to the womb where they have no responsibilities and their needs are all taken care of by others.

Folk on the right LOVE having been born because of the freedom and the ability to realize one's potential.

The left wants equal outcome, a Cuisinarted grey pap of egalitarianism. The right wants equal opportunity, a veritable smorgasbord of free choice.

Damn fine essay.

I don't even know where to begin. I wish I had more time. How can someone have such a warped conspiracy laden mind like VP? How is it that such ideology has truly rendered people stupid? Cheney conveniently using jets for training while our airliners were cruising into buildings. Come on! This had never happened before and even if the jets were airborne over Manhattan at the time, there is no evidence that they would have been used in this capacity.

As for images, I use images all the time. I put images of Auschwitz, Israeli bus bombings and Vietnamese travesties. People understand the horrors of war. I don't know anyone that thinks war is pretty and innocent.

Now your images on the other hand are pathetic. While a few of your hippie friends might be amused, can you really feel pleased with what you have presented.

Tell you what. Use your talent to post pictures of some of what I assume to be your other heroes.

You wont even have to distort the pictures. Put up a picture of Alfred Kinsey performing pre-adolescent sexual studies. I'm sure there is one of him proving that a 5 year old can have multiple orgasms. Or how about one with him mutilating his scrotum. You could put one of him having sex with his wife... oh wait.. he didn't do that. Well I am sure there are plenty of pics out there of him in perverted scenarios.

Or how about a picture of Peter Singer and PETA putting down nearly 1500 of their 2100 "rescued" animals to "save them by putting them to sleep forever".

I'm sure you are a fan of Chomsky. Maybe you can publish his article in The Nation, where he denied the Cambodian genocide. Better yet, maybe you can support his statement that millions of Afghanis would be killed in the war on terror during the first year.

Maybe you can put the picture of Sanger that you have on your desk on your site and talk about how she called non-whites "weeds" and worked to eradicate those she deemed unfit. How many Planned Parenthoods do you know of in white neighborhoods? I can tell you right now that black neighborhoods were littered with them in the 60s and even today. Maybe it is just a coincidence that Chicago and it's 1.4 million black have 15 while Boston has 1.

Shall I continue with other ideology heroes? You seem to be so well versed. Just like them.

Please continue with your rants and raves though. It only helps our cause.

Wow, "tired of liberal bs", most of your posting had absolutely nothing to do with refuting any of what I said. Here offered an uninformed opinion on what our military jets might have done, had they been on duty guarding the eastern seaboard on the day of 9/11:

"This had never happened before and even if the jets were airborne over Manhattan at the time, there is no evidence that they would have been used in this capacity."

I guess you'd like us to take your word for that? Jets actually are supposed to be scrambled and to escort hijacked planes. Those guys are trained for that specifically. They would have shot those planes down like they did flight 93, if not for the absence of the jets. BTW, if Tod Beamer fought the hijackers and saved the whitehouse from getting hit by flight 93, why was the wreckage scattered over miles? That only happens when a flight is blown up in the air.

I talk about facts and you make up stories about a man having sex with children. You lie about Kinsey and you know it.

Democrats talk about the cost of a war which is breaking our economy and inciting hatred all over the world against us. Republicans respond with a proposed anti-gay-marraige amendment. Now Bush wants to clean up the inner-cities of hip-hop culture. Gee, thanks for saving black Americans from themselves. I'm sure they're going to appreciate your delicate touch, Mr. Bush. That's why they voted over 80% for your opponent.

We talk about the war, the economy, global warming. The response we get is people who want to talk about man-dog sex, or man-box-turtle sex.

Save the world from the gay marraiges! They're destroying the fabric of society! We'll all be gay in another generation if the gay marraige amendment isn't passed!

I'll take back what I said about Kinsey. I don't really know what they did and I never like to be in the position of defending what I am not completely informed about.

I do know there are plenty of Christians who are involved in refuting Kinsey and I know that quite a few Christians don't give a damn about telling the truth when it comes to various scientific issues. I don't trust religious people on scientific or historical issues.

Even so, I'm not informed enough to make a defense of Kinsey. I have no idea what specific allegations against Kinsey are true or false.

Even so, I have no idea why you brought up Kinsey when I was talking about terrorism. That's what bugs me, when I want to talk about the Iraq war, you want to talk about deviant sex.

Next time someone tries to change the subject from war to sex, I'm not going to bite. I'm sure when you reply, you're going to want to wail about deviant sex and ignore what I said about flight 93 getting shot down.

I love the protection of Kinsey! I had a huge smile on my face over the fact that I was right. Why don't you read some of Kinsey's work and tell me I am lying about him. He is the one that wrote about adolescent orgasism.. Did they tell him about it or something. I noticed you didn't say anything about the others I mentioned. Must be your unfamiliarity with your kind.

Now provide me with one example of the United States shooting down a single hijacked flight. Even if 93 was shot down (except you provided no proof) by American Jets, there was never an incident prior to that. And if your right about that incident then I guess the government unfortunately did what they should have.

And tell me a little bit about how the war is killing our economy. I only remember a little bit from college economics but I don't remember anything about the federal budget driving the economy, or the GDP, or the consumer index, or..or..

Now had you said the war was putting us into a deficit spending or something even remotely close to that, I wouldn't have agreed but at least you would have made sense. The total cost of the war is but a fraction of what we spend each year and no matter how you liberals spin it, it is still in the interests of national security.

Now true economic problems exists because of Democratic spending on entitlements. Social Security is going broke because of increases enacted by DEMOCRATS in the 70's. Welfare programs introduced by your mighty FDR are purging dollars out of the system as if they were growing on trees.

And Bush, blacks and hip hop music. What the hell are you talking about? Bush has been the most minority friendly President in our history. Just because slick willie played the sax on the Arsenio show, doesn't mean he did anything for minorities. Just putting blacks in such highly regarded positions has done justice for minorities. Then we can always look at what he did to inner city school children in Texas with reading programs. And 80% of blacks didn't vote for his opponent, they voted for his opposing party. Besides, I thought blacks were suppressed by Bush's party and couldn't vote.

Now the gay marriage thing. I am not all that passionate about it. I don't think it is right, but it isn't a major battle for me. So you can't use that argument in my regard.

Tell you what. Print out all of your stories and pictures and put them in a safe deposit box. That way when you grow up and have a family, a good paying job, a home of your own and become Republican you can look back at laugh at yourself for believing such nonsense.

Oh and in your next response have some ACTUAL facts to support things.. I would be happy to provide you with a few, including some of Mr. Kinsey's own studies.

Ir is this simple.

I am tired of conservative bitches! How's that?

"Ir is this simple".. what are you a pirate? But at least your honest.. Have to give you credit for that.

Great letter, Goddess. VP - I am really tired of you ilk. Where do you come up with your conspiracy theory caca? Haliburton, HALiBURTon, HALIBURTON! You ignorant fool. Read the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Public companies are more constrained and scrutinized and accountable than a white cop hitting a black criminal on video tape in Los Angeles. And right, Bill Clinton took drug money to keep quiet about Mena just like the Jews controlled 9/11. Grow up and get real.

Go here:

http://breakers.typepad.com/leftbeach/2004/01/index.html

Wow, what a blog. This is my first visit here, but it won't be my last. This "visual politics" person is so far off on so many levels I would not even know where to begin. Again, we see the radical left in his comment that he "just doesn't trust religious people when it comes to scientific or historical issues". So one would logically deduce that you don't trust John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, or a whole host of your cohorts who claim to be religious. Ah, the raging hormones and irrationality of youth, because unless I miss my guess, this guy is 20-something. No matter what his age, he is beyond help, you have drawn and quartered him intellectually, and I cannot add to that and therefore should end this post. God bless President Bush!

Flight 93 got shot down by a shoulder fired missile that dick cheney fired from his haliburton oil tanker.

The wreckage was used to train elite haliburton swat teams that hijacked the 9/11 planes, and flew them into cuba for oil.

Bushitler wired the world trade centers with C4 while he was AWOL from the texas national guard, and detonated the buildings under the orders of the saudi royal family.

Dick cheney ordered the right wing news outlets (CNN/ABC/MSNBC) to air the fake reports of the airliners to trump up support for a war against iraq, so bush could avenge his father.

It's so obvious, why don't you blind rightards see it?

I like the color scheme here. I just use classic black & white on my blog but maybe I should upgrade. In fact I think I'll put this site on my exclusive blogroll just on the basis of visuals.

Let's not be too aggressive in editing anyone's posts for relevance, particulaly VPs. I really want to read his expose of how flying saucers are behind it all.

Apologies, I'll have to renege on my pangyric to the color scheme. I didn't realize there were so many bad choices available thruogh the "skins" control. That all makes it look like somebody here has an identity problem (whatever that means). I still want to hear about VPs insights into flying saucers, though.

Its now official. the leftist moonbats are beyond parody. One couldn't deliberately write anything as nutty as what can be found coming out of the loons on the Left.

We need a crash program to build new mental wards.

OK, I have a little time...

I just wanted to make a comment and pose a question to you, Da Goddess and I hope that this time, when you respond that you can try to address what I have written and desist from the ad hominem attacks. (And yes, I recognize that this is your site and you have the right to post as you will, but I was hoping to discuss politics, our differing views and even possibly our commonalities.)

Why is it that you continually ascribe things to me that I never said or did? In your letter I noticed that you said I called you mindless and brainwashed. Can you point to a time during our entire discourse where I EVER called you a name or attacked your character? You also claimed I identified my self as one of the protesters, (which is true, I am a protester) but the point is you tried to position me as one of the protesters who attack people on the streets for having differing views. Again I ask you to point to time when I have EVER attacked anyone for ANY reason.

You also "quote" me on certain things which I would never say in public (or private), like "Bush sucks" or "vile capitalist". Again I must ask you to point to an occasion when I used such language.

Finally I want to address to issue of the Iraqi "vote" and their so-called freedom. I respect your belief that this was an exercise in freedom for the Iraqi people. I respect the right of the people who voted Iraq to feel jubilant about their vote.

However, you'll have to find it in yourself to accept the fact that everyone doesn't share your view on this election and just as you have the right to view it as a success, others have the right to see otherwise. You'll have to accept the fact that a large portion of the country is NOT celebrating the vote; that up to 70% of them are still unemployed and that electricity and running water barely exist.

Part of my reason for distrusting corporate media accounts is rooted in reports like that of an independent journalist in Iraq, Dahr Jamail, who claimed the "turnout" in Iraq was
questionable, "What they also didn't tell you was that of those who voted, whether they be 35 percent or even 60 percent of registered voters, were not voting in support of an ongoing U.S. occupation of their country.

In fact, they were voting for precisely the opposite reason. Every Iraqi I have spoken with who voted explained that they believe the National Assembly which will be formed soon will signal an end to the occupation. And they expect the call for a withdrawing of foreign forces in their country to come sooner rather than later. This causes one to view the footage of cheering, jubilant Iraqis in a different light now, doesn't it?"

Wow.. did any of the rest of you actually follow the link to Visual Politics' site? Quite ironic.. nothing but photoshopped photos (some even NSFW.. thanks a lot) and posts full of hatred for anyone that's not way left.

Oh, and all the talk about censoring.. and the first post's comments I look at are almost all:

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Classic

VP

Politics aside, I’d like to discuss your remarks regarding 9/11.

You said “Why did Dick Cheney have to take over the control of our military jets that patrol the eastern seaboard and why did he have to put them on a training excercise that kept them out of the action on 9/11? That's a pretty funny coincidence.” (Feb. 2)

You also said “Jets actually are supposed to be scrambled and to escort hijacked planes. Those guys are trained for that specifically. They would have shot those planes down like they did flight 93, if not for the absence of the jets. BTW, if Tod Beamer fought the hijackers and saved the whitehouse from getting hit by flight 93, why was the wreckage scattered over miles? That only happens when a flight is blown up in the air.” (Feb. 3).

Basically, you’re postulating that the 9/11 attack was engineered by the US Government, or that they were in some part complicit in it, as demonstrated (1) by the unlikely coincidence of the training exercise and (2) that the US government must have shot down Flight 93, instead of the reported crash of the airliner, presumed due to the struggle between passengers and hijackers.

I would point out that the government would hardly have to schedule a training exercise to keep fighter jets away from the hijacked airliners – all they’d have to do is keep them on the ground. There was little time available for an intercept – despite all the hype, even state-of-the-art fighter jets take time to travel any distance. And that’s after being armed – I don’t know offhand if prior to 9/11 the US kept armed jets in the air or on constant standby around the country.

I might also suggest that, despite the intelligence reports filed prior to 9/11 suggesting an attack of just this sort (though not where or when), hardly anyone seriously considered this possibility. That’s why we were all so shocked that day.

If as you suggest the government kept its armed aircraft away from the hijacked airliners, how did they shoot down Flight 93? You may contend that, since the target of Flight 93’s hijackers seems to have been the White House, the government conspirators made an exception to protect themselves. But if persons in the US government were involved in the 9/11 attacks, why would they need to act to protect themselves? Your two claims (that the jets were kept away, and that jets shot down Flight 93) seem to be contradictory.

I cannot speak to your remarks about the wreckage of Flight 93, as I am no expert on air crash investigation. Can you quote a qualified person in support of your remark? I can say, however, that airliners do not crash like toys – leaving a couple of big pieces lying neatly on the floor. They are engineered to fly, not to crash, and when they do – especially if they do so at speed and while carrying tons of fuel – the pieces are likely to be strewn widely.

Finally, I will address your theory with two handy tools which should be applied to all conspiracies. The first is Occam’s Razor – that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. The second is that real conspiracies rarely stay secret. The more people who know a secret, the sooner it will stop being a secret. The conspiracy you suggest would have to involve pretty much all the President’s top people, and probably many others. What is the likelihood that even one person who had actual knowledge of the conspiracy would not tell about it? Heck, what is the likelihood that *not one person* in that group was honest enough, compassionate enough, to say “no, I won’t do that.”?

You contend, with a coincidence and an opinion, that the death of thousands of Americans (and others, including my countrymen) can be laid at the feet of the President and his staff. Maybe it’s time to move on.

Right wingers didn't encourage 9/11.
Bill Clinton didn't engage in a conspiracy to commit murder to cover up drug trafficking.
The war in Iraq is not all about oil.
Kinsey wasn't a pedophile.

Personally I'm not particularly fond of extremists on either side of the aisle. The war in Iraq could have been handled better. Taking more time before it started would have been worth it just to have been able to say to everyone in and out of the U.S. "See how hard we tried? See how much time we gave them to be honest about it?". Because no matter how wrong the intelligence on WMDs was, it was an opinion shared by pretty much everyone and Saddam was stupid enough to not really come completely clean. What really pisses me off is the really bad planning for the end of the war. I do sincerely believe that if that had been handled as well as major combat operations were that our casualties would be much lighter.

I'm really keeping my fingers crossed for the Iraqi people. What worries me is not a doubt about them wanting freedom. For the long term future of a free society the important thing is the willingness to let the other guy be free as well.

The war in Iraq is not all about oil.

Wow. I applaud your courage in making such a statement.

Though I believe it was solely about the oil, I believe there were other motivating factors, none of which were the "evils" of Saddam Hussein. I don't believe this government, with its own deplorable human rights history, cares one bit about the Iraqis or any one in the "middle east". As one congressman said (paraphrasing) if they produced bananas instead of oil we wouldn't even send our troops there.

The time to show that we really wanted to help the Iraqis was during the rule of King Faisal. Talk about brutal dictators. He not only brutalized his own people, but he allowed for a 100% of the oil profits to be exported out of the country! And of course the U.S. supported the brutalization of the Iraqis at that time because they were the recipients of part of that oil.

You won't often find me quoting (and agreeing with) a U.S. president but Woodrow Wilson was correct when he said:

"Is there any man, is there any woman, let me say any child here, that does not know that the seed of war in the modern world is industrial and commercial rivalry?"