Da Goddess

A couple of scenes? Holy crap.

Unfortunately, I doubt it's going to change anyone's mind. Because it is so graphic, it's like showing a pro-choice person a mutilated fetus--the pro-choice person is just going to look upon it as a disgusting scare tactic/more gore.

everytime I see a replay of the plane flying into the WTC....my rage builds. I can't wait till this movie comes out to show the lies of that scum suckign piece of gutter trash known as Michael Moore.

There were so many enraging things for me in the video, I don't know where to begin.

The "there is no terrorist threat" line... my god. The incredible thing is that there are people believing that garbage.

And the woman with the dictator comments makes me want to ship her off to a country that HAS a dictator such as Saddam and see how long it takes her to start crying for even a picture of the U.S.

Yes, Goddess, EVERYONE needs to see this.

I've seen the video of the planes striking the World Trade Center towers so many times, I can cee it happen when I close my eyes.

I've seen the video of Daniel Pearl's murder.

I've seen the video of Nick Berg's brutal beheading. His screams haunt me every time I hear about another kidnapping.

I have seen pictures of various tortures that have gone on in the middle east. In Saudi Arabia, Iran, Saddam's Iraq, etc.., Watched videos of hands and feet sawed off. It sickens me more than you can know.

I'm not some sicko who's looking for this kind of horrible stuff to get some kicks, but I do feel I need to know what our enemies are like. They are the most vile, horrible, inhuman monsters ever to exist. They wouldn't think twice about sentencing a young child, who has barely lived long enough to know what good and bad were, to a horrible flaming death, like Christine Hanson. Being a single father of a beatiful young girl, I hope I never have to live the horrible last moments Sue and Peter Hanson lived, knowing that there was no possible way they could protect or save their child.

Can anyone tell me honestly that Kerry will prevent that from happening again? Or just responding strongly AFTER an attack?

Dak asks... can anyone tell me honestly that Kerry will prevent that...

Can anyone HONESTLY say Bush will?

If so, can you give me their number, I need a good psychic.

The point of my question, Ron, was that with Bush in the White House, there is much less of a chance that it will happen again, I believe, than with Kerry. Kerry seems too reactionary. I don't think he would treat terrorism the same, and as such, I think he'll not pursue preemtion. No one can say with any certainty that something like 9/11 would ever happen again, ever. I'm no psychic either, but I get the sense from Kerry that he's playing too much too the anti-War crowd, and the brown-nose Europe crowd, and that will weaken us, rather than protect us. I'm not sure that Kerry would take the threats against us seriously enough.

I've just got a bad feeling about Kerry.

Kerry. Bush. Clinton.
It doesn't matter who is, was or will be in office.
Who was watching the fort on 9/11/01, hmm?
Bush sat on his ass for SEVEN fucking minutes after the attack. SEVEN!
"Collecting his thoughts", my ass.

Why do you people think that Bush is the only one who wants to stop terrorism?
Cheney said in a speech that it's going to take time to establish democracy. It took America 10 years to establish a democracy after the declaration was signed.
HELLO? In America we hadn't been ruled by a dictactor. WE didn't have our own countrymen killing and fighting each other for years. Our countrymen were not killing women and children. Our loved ones were not being killed for their beliefs or speaking out against the government. Teaching children to kill. WE didn't have suicide bombers.
How can we compare the two?
Supporting the troops is NOT equal to supporting Bush.
Wake up.
We are losing support of the Iraqi people. We fucked up.

Do some research people. America is NOT a democracy.
We are #11 when it comes to countries ranked by the level of democratic rule.
The United States of America is a Republic ("and to the republic for which it stands...") which operates under a Federalist system.
Another news flash...the Electoral College does NOT have to vote the way the people selected them to do so. Convention says they should, but they don't have to..and have NOT in the past.

Dittoheads.

Kerry. Bush. Clinton.
It doesn't matter who is, was or will be in office.
Who was watching the fort on 9/11/01, hmm?

The thing I will conceed to anyone about 9/11 is that it was going to happen no matter who was in office. I seriously doubt anyone realized the threat prior to 9/11. The difference is who is in office NOW, and what they're going to do about it. Bush has made the pledge to protect this country from further attacks, and so far, none like it, or even less, have happened. For all your bitching, you can't refute that.

Bush sat on his ass for SEVEN fucking minutes after the attack. SEVEN!
"Collecting his thoughts", my ass.

So you mean to tell me that he should have leaped to his feet, in front of school children and screamed "OH MY GOD! WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!!!" and run from the room? Really? Bush sat there for 7 minutes trying to decide what best course of action to take with what little information he had at the time, had to act in a way that would not frighten the children and cause mass hysteria because there was a huge gathering of Press to cover the school event. I think he handled himself in the most calm manner possible. Kerry criticized Bush for not doing anything either, but if you look back, Kerry and a bunch of his Senatorial cohorts stood there in shock for 40 minutes "not able to think". So tell me again, does it really matter that the President of the United States sat there for 7 minutes trying to sort out what to do?

Why do you people think that Bush is the only one who wants to stop terrorism?

Um, I want to stop terrorism. Isreal wants to stop terrorism. Iraq wants to stop terrorism. Hundreds of Parents and children in Chechnya want to stop terrorism. I'm sure that there are thousands of Americans who want to stop terrorism. I can even bet that millions of Spaniards voted the way they did because they wanted to stop terrorism. (even though it was the wrong act for the right sentiment...) I know for a fact that millions of Austrailians want to stop terrorism, especially after the nightclub bombings in Bali, I believe. Where do you get the idea that only President Bush wants to stop terrorism?

Cheney said in a speech that it's going to take time to establish democracy. It took America 10 years to establish a democracy after the declaration was signed.

I agree with you there. Establishing a Democracyt isn't a Wham, Bam, Vote Now Ma'am proposition. So then why are people so hell bent on saying Iraq is a failure only after 2 years? God People, Give Peace in Iraq a Chance!

We are losing support of the Iraqi people. We fu***d up.

I don't agree there. From the Iraqi weblogs I've read, to the letters written home by soldiers in Iraq, the support of the Iraqi people is very strong. They don't want us there forever, but they do know they need us to help them learn to live free and responsible lives. We're helping them Build a new life (not rebuild). The Iraqi people are supporting us. It's the Terrorists who are pouring in the Iraqi's country that are causing 90% of the problem, not to mention some whacko Imams.

Supporting the troops is NOT equal to supporting Bush.
Wake up.

Um, sorry, I don't see what you are getting at. Supporting the troops means supporting the mission. You don't have to agree with everything that Bush says, however, when it comes to the War, supporting the mission means backing the President on this issue. You can rail against him all you want about the domestic policy and the economy, but I fully believe that if you say you support our troops, you MUST support the mission they are trying to accomplish there, and that means you vote in a President who will make sure they the Troops are given every means to succeed. I fervently believe that Kerry will undercut our troops and pull them out before they complete their goal.

The rest of your comment I won't even get into...I'm too busy at work to bother at the current moment.

There's something else I need to say about this "losing Iraqi support" myth that's being tossed around so much lately. Thanks to Drudge Report.com, I ran across this article that was on for a short time about a group of Iraqi women who are trying to get Americans to see their country through their eyes. The passage that means the most to me is this one...

"When I come here and watch TV, I think this is the end of Iraq. It's over," al-Suwaij said. In Iraq, however, she sees a country "taking baby steps" toward democracy. She says the economy is booming. Schools are improving. Women fill 25 percent of elected positions, a milestone not seen even in the United States.

"Yes, security is a problem and sometimes there is no electricity and no water," al-Suwaij said, "but at the end of the day when we put our head on the pillow, Saddam is gone and that alone brings us great satisfaction. That allows us hope."

Now I can't, no matter how hard I try, justify comments like "We are losing support of the Iraqi people. We f****d up. against stories like the one above. We did not f**k up. We did miscalculate how tough the aftermath of the war would be. But we are winning, we are wanted there for however long it takes to secure the country and send them on their way.

One of the United States' biggest mistakes, they said, was not securing the borders to keep radical extremists out. To hear them tell it, America's presence is not a mistake.

That says it all. Well, almost...

"A lot of (Iraqi) mothers come to me and say to tell the mothers in America thank you for sending us your sons and daughters, the soldiers, to help us," she said. "We pray for them, the soldiers."

Bush sat on his ass for SEVEN fucking minutes after the attack. SEVEN!

Let's see now... at that time, we knew that we were under attack, and we did not know what the full scale of the attack would be. Did the secret service know for sure that an ambush was not being set up for the president somewhere down the street? Hell no. Maybe, just MAYBE they were taking the extra time to be careful they weren't walking into a death trap.